Last Lest List Lost Lust: who may say?

I think that, as a possible topic of conversation, it has huge potential to generate the sort of vomit-inducing pretentiousness which should be hijacked or, better yet, ignored by all right-thinking people.

Still, we are where we are.
Voila!
My Review of List of the Lost
(deep breath...)

I lent out my copy of List of the Lost not long after purchase, but I did read it. It would not be the usual topic I’d go for, and I think I felt somewhat baffled on finishing it, but a Cockney soccer-supporting friend ‘got’ the plot faster, and was enthusiastic about the setting and concept. I would not judge the merit of a book by how much I liked it anyway, being ‘just another person in the world’.

In Oscar Wilde’s essay, The Critic As Artist, Gilbert says, “the artistic critic, like the mystic, is an antinomian always,” while Ernest concludes, “it is more difficult to talk about a thing than to do it, and that to do nothing at all is the most difficult thing in the world; you have told me that all Art is immoral, and all thought dangerous; that criticism is more creative than creation, and that the highest criticism is that which reveals in the work of Art what the artist had not put there; that it is exactly because a man cannot do a thing that he is the proper judge of it; and that the true critic is unfair, insincere, and not rational.”

So let’s see.

Karl Smith of The Quietus reckoned List of the Lost was the most Morrissey thing Morrissey ever did, and noted it showed persistent disdain for its subject matter, as if boredom was being used as a device. Allowing for sex being hard to write, he compares that scene to “a description of two people playing on the stairs with a slinky.” But if one party is gay, could their point of view not be one of disorienting repulsion while going through with it anyway?

In Complaint!, Sara Ahmed points out that, “to queer use, to open up spaces to those for whom they were not intended often requires a world-dismantling effort,” This does not sound easy, either for those trying to assert their needs, or for those expected to make room.

One Barbie film review cites a previously obscure film from the same year Morrissey’s novel is set, which in a 2022 Sight & Sound magazine poll was nominated Greatest Film of all Time. Chantal Akerman’s Jeanne Dielman (1975) has been called difficult, radical, austere and rigorous; a work that makes no concessions to the audience, but dismantling film form to tell its story of a housewife and single mother who is also a once-a-week prostitute. “Akerman transforms cinema, itself so often an instrument of women’s oppression, into a liberating force,”

There is enough merit in List of the Lost to imagine it will be similarly re-evaluated one day.

Recognition of states of tension, and of the novel form’s power to both elucidate and deceive. chime with the blurb Morrissey prepared for Penguin Books i.e.

'Beware the novelist . . . intimate and indiscreet . . . pompous, prophetic airs . . . here is the fact of fiction . . . an American tale where, naturally, evil conquers good, and none live happily ever after, for the complicated pangs of the empty experiences of flesh-and-blood human figures are the reason why nothing can ever be enough. To read a book is to let a root sink down. List of the lost is the reality of what is true battling against what is permitted to be true.' - Morrissey

The author’s warning that he was not playing it straight evidently could not over-ride expectations for something else.

Oscar Wilde again, this time from The Decay of Lying;

“One of the chief causes of the curiously commonplace character of most of the literature of our age is undoubtedly the decay of lying as an art, a science, and a social pleasure. The ancient historians gave us delightful fiction in the form of fact; the modern novelist presents us with dull facts under the guise of fiction…He has not even the courage of other people’s ideas, but insists on going directly to life for everything, and ultimately, between encyclopædias and personal experience, he comes to the ground, having drawn his types from the family circle or from the weekly washerwoman, and having acquired an amount of useful information from which he never, even in his most thoughtful moments, can thoroughly free himself. ‘The loss that results to literature in general from this false ideal of our time can hardly be overestimated.”

Sounds like Wilde would have poo-poohed sensitivity readers and the growing insistence on ‘authenticity’, happy to conjure up ‘the other’ free of guidelines! But he was half pulling our legs, while exercising his powers of thought and wit, because he did put a lot of his life into his art. Whether a little or a lot, any mix can work, I think. It’s not the decisive measure.

Kenn Sava’ likeable review in Nighthawk NYC stands out for knowledge of the author’s career and work from The Smiths era: the absence of music references is remarked on. Sava’s comments that Morrissey was a teenage runner and accurately described the sport, are funny because they refute the Quietus reviewer’s notion about Morrissey’s ignorance of his subject, for one. But the Nighthawk reviewer then finds the realism, or ‘coincidences’ a problem!! So Morrissey can’t win with most of his critics!

Sava identifies as extra characters both a novel Narrator, and also an Author, quipping, Narrator meets Author! They are very similar, liberally inserting fascinating views on many hot button topics, but they are not the same. Characters’ minds are given voice both from inside and outside, as if all is taking place in the same cosmic mind. The message from this very compact story is to watch out, even if doing so cannot save us!

Reviewing for The Times, Melissa Katsoulis defends Morrissey’s right to relate his tale in textual slipperiness: “What did the reviewers expect? An elegant disquisition on the pitfalls of modern marriage? A tragi-comic look at what can go wrong when you move to the country? ... [This is] a gothic fantasy ... there is a Joycean freedom to its playfulness ... [and] his writing on loss and ageing can be exquisite. ... It's a carnivalesque antidote to all those earnest, urban epics by the graduate trainees of the literary scene. ... Inimitable and irreplaceable. Long may he joyously jiggle his art in our faces, whether we like it or not.”

The Guardian reported Linda Sterling’s “somewhat philosophical take on List of the Lost, which reminds her of her mother’s pronouncements that the Irish are obsessed with death. “Morrissey takes us through the valley of the shadow of death at high speed. We’re all in a relay race with the ghosts of the past and the mewling newborns, there’s no time to dawdle.”’

(Speaking of The Guardian, the tendency of the British press to bad-mouth Morrissey no matter what he does is being tracked on folk-devil.com, which also covers the spiteful reviews for his fiction writing.)

In Morrissey’s unreleased song, By The Time I Get To Wherever I’m Going, the narrator reflects on the utility of knowledge and the passing of time:

Should there come a time
I make use of all of this knowledge
That I drag behind
Like traps, like scraps, like baggage

[Chorus]
There will be no time
There will be no time left with which to
Meet you and talk about logic
And have you on the lawn


He may still grieve over the handicap of limited schooling in the song, Because Of My Poor Education, so how interesting that the highest praise for his novel comes mainly from academic quarters! In his review for Times Higher Education, Uwe Schutte gushes: “In this, his first novel, he delivers superb prose fiction from start to finish. A spellbinding, gnostic tale about the world on a downward spiral.”

Writing a review paper in 2022 for the Journal of Literature, Culture and Literary Translation, subtitled ‘But what about me, and What I felt?’, the abstract reveals Brontë Schiltz’s regard:

“In one of the numerous negative reviews, Michael Hann described singer-songwriter Morrissey’s debut novella, List of the Lost (2015), as “an unpolished turd of a book, the stale excrement of Morrissey’s imagination,” yet from a queer perspective, it is pioneering. This article explores Morrissey’s innovative engagement with Gothic horror, building on his explorations of the mode during his musical career. Throughout the novella, Morrissey subverts numerous Gothic staples, from curative maternity and reproductive futurity to monstrously fragmented subjectivity to condemnations of Catholicism – the latter of which he retains, though to entirely different ends to his Protestant literary ancestors. Through such devices, Morrissey participates in Teresa Goddu’s concept of ‘haunting back,’ turning hostile Gothic tropes on their head to carve out a new space for queer experience within the mode – historically conservative as often as it is transgressive – and reveals the true specter of society to be not difference, but its suppression.”


Just because a novel is difficult and not everybody’s cup of tea is not reason enough to dismiss it. Just because someone knows nothing about brain surgery doesn’t mean they won’t appreciate the value of it.

The last book I read was Edward St. Aubyn’s novel, Lost for Words, published the year before List of the Lost came out. It mocks literary critics, and book award contests and judges, and makes no bones about how far from ideal the whole publishing system is. I felt ambiguous about it but it was smart and did well.

The uphill struggle of Ezra and his friends to find satisfaction in life is so common as to be normal, and the whole reason Buddhism was invented. There is suffering; there can be cessation from suffering. There is no one whose love will ever satisfy another completely but the lucky ones find they can be good enough. Maybe this is one of the messages to be taken away from the tragedy that is List of the Lost.
My time would be better spent graffiti-ing shit on an iron bridge.
 
List of the Lost is highly autobiographical. Someone somewhere said it's like an extended version/like deleted scenes of/from Autobiography and I think that fits. The story is in many ways a metaphor for the Smiths and I think you can read how he felt about them between the lines. As with his songs it's not that in your face but it's nevertheless plainly obvious. He also sprinkled other topics in there that influenced him like the Moors Murders, bad teachers, his views on vegetarianism/politics, homophobia, being in the closet, self hate etc. It's all crammed in there on only 118 pages. Only if you see it as a crypted autobiographical extension of his views and experiences it is somewhat interesting and intriguing. But as a novel on its own it's bad. No real story development, it's a not very coherent story, characters come and go, it often doesn't make sense and you can't unsee the author just expressing his own and often already publicly told views again through the characters. He should've invested more time in the development of the story/characters and used an editor, but I guess editing Morrissey and/or this story would be an impossible task. Also - these endless long sentences in between, you can totally use that to describe/tell your story artistically but they have to make sense in the end to get the content across. What did he want to write? Just a little bit of fiction or a lyrical masterpiece? It seems like he couldn't decide which way to go so it looks like a mess of intentions.
 
As it seems, maybe Morrissey had no intention of writing a proper novel.


I think it’s safe to assume that
Morrissey himself has read plenty of literature to know what is wrong and right.

Personally LOTL doesn’t always work for me, found parts a bit grim actually. Though a comedy it wasn’t meant to be. If people aren’t familiar with the work of Kathy Acker, William Burroughs or even Jack Kerouac (obvious influence on M) then yes, they may find LOTL off putting.
 
As it seems, maybe Morrissey had no intention of writing a proper novel.


I think it’s safe to assume that
Morrissey himself has read plenty of literature to know what is wrong and right.

Personally LOTL doesn’t always work for me, found parts a bit grim actually. Though a comedy it wasn’t meant to be. If people aren’t familiar with the work of Kathy Acker, William Burroughs or even Jack Kerouac (obvious influence on M) then yes, they may find LOTL off putting.
The latitude for creativity in novels is there in the name. Novel. Including autobiographical and factual material in novels is one of the main modern ways to do it, as per Michael Lackey's 2014 book of interviews, Truthful Fictions:

In this new collection of interviews, some of America's most prominent novelists identify the key intellectual developments that led to the rise of the contemporary biographical novel, discuss the kind of historical 'truth' this novel communicates, indicate why this narrative form is superior to the traditional historical novel, and reflect on the ideas and characters central to their individual works. These interviews do more than just define an innovative genre of contemporary fiction. They provide a precise way of understanding the complicated relationship and pregnant tensions between contextualized thinking and historical representation, interdisciplinary studies and 'truth' production, and fictional reality and factual constructions. By focusing on classical and contemporary debates regarding the nature of the historical novel, this volume charts the forces that gave birth to a new incarnation of this genre

https://archive.org/details/truthfulfictions0000lack/page/n1/mode/2up

An article by The Currency this time last year exploring Salman Rushdie's dislocation for his art and his unwavering courage mused, "why asking for art not to offend is like asking to live in a world without elements." - https://thecurrency.news/articles/9...on-for-his-art-but-his-courage-is-unwavering/

AI cannot do fiction:
The importance of feedback can be seen directly in ChatGPT’s tendency to “hallucinate”; that is, confidently provide inaccurate answers. ChatGPT can’t give good answers on a topic without training, even if good information about that topic is widely available on the internet. You can try this out yourself by asking ChatGPT about more and less obscure things. I’ve found it particularly effective to ask ChatGPT to summarize the plots of different fictional works because, it seems, the model has been more rigorously trained on nonfiction than fiction.

In my own testing, ChatGPT summarized the plot of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings,” a very famous novel, with only a few mistakes. But its summaries of Gilbert and Sullivan’s “The Pirates of Penzance” and of Ursula K. Le Guin’s “The Left Hand of Darkness” – both slightly more niche but far from obscure – come close to playing Mad Libs with the character and place names. It doesn’t matter how good these works’ respective Wikipedia pages are. The model needs feedback, not just content.

Because large language models don’t actually understand or evaluate information, they depend on humans to do it for them. They are parasitic on human knowledge and labor. When new sources are added into their training data sets, they need new training on whether and how to build sentences based on those sources.
- https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/18/chatgpt-still-needs-humans/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=cf95e140-b7d1-41f6-b73c-b1cfa6dc3ec7

Art is of a higher order than data.

And Johnny Rotten:
You’ve always used PiL as a platform to explore things in your real life, going back to 1979’s “Death Disco,” about the death of your mother.

I think anyone in this industry who’s worth his salt is telling you from true experience. It’s what I expect out of a good novelist or an amazing film. Anyone can put up a sham – 98% of the industry we are in is all about that. But yes, it’s a raw pleasure, a delight, and a gift I was given at an early age to be able to do something properly. And that’s not a sense of morals I’m coming from, because morals imply religious beliefs. It’s is a sense of values. I owe this to everybody to tell it as it is, as I’m experiencing it.
- https://www.spin.com/2023/08/john-l...iew-2023/?mc_cid=ad96553a59&mc_eid=d933c6562e

Some comics mix art with nonfiction - https://www.graphicmedicine.org/a-tribute-to-the-nib/

"Artists are here to disturb the peace" - James Baldwin
 
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