Why can't our boy do an interview/release an album like this dude?

[Ashley_TakeABow]

Who’s this directed at? Morrissey for losing fans? There’s really no one else here who feels sad.

Nothing to feel sad about. It's his life to "wreck" his own way.
You win some, you lose some.
Hey, he gained me -- & I'm not the only one he's gained.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Nothing to feel sad about. It's his life to "wreck" his own way.
You win some, you lose some.
Hey, he gained me -- & I'm not the only one he's gained.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Nothing to feel sad about. It's his life to "wreck" his own way.
You win some, you lose some.
Hey, he gained me -- & I'm not the only one he's gained.

It sure is. But I’m not the one who posted the violin thing, implying that there was sadness to be felt, in the first place. If Morrissey was the only artist whose music I liked, I would feel sad. But he’s one of hundreds. And it’s a much nicer feeling to listen to music you really can relate to.

Oh, Sinatra is actually one of my all time favorite artists.

 

[BrokenFrame]

I don't usually care about the popularity of an artist but he can't even get a record released.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I don't usually care about the popularity of an artist but he can't even get a record released.

Yeah, and that’s sad. He’s created such a mess for himself. And he can’t stop himself.

 

[BrokenFrame]

Yeah, and that’s sad. He’s created such a mess for himself. And he can’t stop himself.

"And what a terrible mess I've made of my life. Oh, what a mess I've made of my life"
Indeed. I cant shrug this off like some other fans, I'm desperate for new songs.
I should probably stop thinking about it and driving myself insane.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

"And what a terrible mess I've made of my life. Oh, what a mess I've made of my life"
Indeed. I cant shrug this off like some other fans, I'm desperate for new songs.
I should probably stop thinking about it and driving myself insane.

It’s also sad that he wrote those words 40 years ago.

Even though his new material is mostly subpar, I still wish he could have a steady, ongoing career.

 

[goinghome]

Like I said, I’m thankful for what he meant to me when I was younger and I’ll never forget the songs that saved my life. But I don’t feel I can relate to him anymore. Even the older stuff feels pretty far from me and where I am. That could all change, of course. Life is never stagnant.

Do The Cure et al have forums where you can indulge your preferences, as with that attitude, you're going to be constantly frustrated at this particular place, dedicated as it is (theoretically anyway) to said Morrissey?

 

[goinghome]

He means a lot to me cause I followed him since Smiths days but I think it's me just holding to some part of my youth, well into old age.

Isn't that something we do in many areas of life? Turn external agents into emblems for values in our identities? Many people follow one football club or political party for life. When it comes to an artist who puts so much of his persona into his work, is a strange intensity surprising?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Do The Cure et al have forums where you can indulge your preferences, as with that attitude, you're going to be constantly frustrated at this particular place, dedicated as it is (theoretically anyway) to said Morrissey?

I don’t know. I think I’m welcome here either way. I’m a c*** sometimes, but mostly not. And Morrissey might be the one artist I’ve listened most to in my life and even though I don’t consider myself a huge fan anymore, he still fascinates me. And my deep knowledge of his work hasn’t been erased.
I know you’re keen on making this a diehards only place, but maybe you should let that thing go? ‘Cause…it’ll never happen. I mean, it’s operated by a guy who’s been banned from attending Morrissey gigs. Morrissey himself hates this place.

 

[goinghome]

I don’t know. I think I’m welcome here either way. I’m a c*** sometimes, but mostly not. And Morrissey might be the one artist I’ve listened most to in my life and even though I don’t consider myself a huge fan anymore, he still fascinates me. And my deep knowledge of his work hasn’t been erased.
I know you’re keen on making this a diehards only place, but maybe you should let that thing go? ‘Cause…it’ll never happen. I mean, it’s operated by a guy who’s been banned from attending Morrissey gigs. Morrissey himself hates this place.

Do you know you know, or is it that you actually don’t know but don’t know you don’t know? The guy operating this place was widely reported to have attended Morrissey gigs in the past year. Morrissey’s hatred only is another leap of assumption. But the mix of characters and relationships and interplay on this internet space, and with the world beyond, is complex and far from what faced bands like The Smiths when they formed in the 80s, when fans ran local magazine and wrote letters to the music press and record companies. Things have changed.

Some say The Sex Pistols were the last major disrupters of music, although sub-genres have proliferated, and rap and hip-hop since come close to a new revolution, springing organically from the mean streets. The impact of MTV, where music videos often became successful ads for songs, and the audio CD format, replacing vinyl and cassette, for a few decades anyway, were the last major shake-ups for the record industry. Record companies generally resisted rather than embraced new methods, the upshot being that Big Tech, mainly via Apple, Goggle Play and Spotify, moved in with daunting electronic and cloud capacities and began to swallow everything up on their platforms and licenses. Compared to the old model of star promotion, they tend to treat artists as mere content creators, to avoid remunerating them wherever possible, and they cultivate consumer demand to maximise profit-skimming points. I think this relates to the concern Juan recently posted on Instagram. Wealthy musicians now make most of their money from non-music products they brand, to complete the corporatisation of a field that used to be quite a bit more about talent and creativity.

Could it be, at least in some sense, that Morrissey-solo, run with specialised aptitude for the same tech developments, and its in-crowd, has fallen perhaps subconsciously into a similar pattern when it comes to the art and person of Morrissey?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Do you know you know, or is it that you actually don’t know but don’t know you don’t know? The guy operating this place was widely reported to have attended Morrissey gigs in the past year. Morrissey’s hatred only is another leap of assumption. But the mix of characters and relationships and interplay on this internet space, and with the world beyond, is complex and far from what faced bands like The Smiths when they formed in the 80s, when fans ran local magazine and wrote letters to the music press and record companies. Things have changed.

Some say The Sex Pistols were the last major disrupters of music, although sub-genres have proliferated, and rap and hip-hop since come close to a new revolution, springing organically from the mean streets. The impact of MTV, where music videos often became successful ads for songs, and the audio CD format, replacing vinyl and cassette, for a few decades anyway, were the last major shake-ups for the record industry. Record companies generally resisted rather than embraced new methods, the upshot being that Big Tech, mainly via Apple, Goggle Play and Spotify, moved in with daunting electronic and cloud capacities and began to swallow everything up on their platforms and licenses. Compared to the old model of star promotion, they tend to treat artists as mere content creators, to avoid remunerating them wherever possible, and they cultivate consumer demand to maximise profit-skimming points. I think this relates to the concern Juan recently posted on Instagram. Wealthy musicians now make most of their money from non-music products they brand, to complete the corporatisation of a field that used to be quite a bit more about talent and creativity.

Could it be, at least in some sense, that Morrissey-solo, run with specialised aptitude for the same tech developments, and its in-crowd, has fallen perhaps subconsciously into a similar pattern when it comes to the art and person of Morrissey?

Basically none of what you wrote has anything to do with my reply to you.

 

[Redacted]

Do The Cure et al have forums where you can indulge your preferences, as with that attitude, you're going to be constantly frustrated at this particular place, dedicated as it is (theoretically anyway) to said Morrissey?

It doesn't matter if The Cure have forums or not, part of this site is dedicated to 'Other Music" as has been pointed out to you many, many times. You are the one who is 'frustrated at this particular place' as you do not like how it's run. It's not 'dedicated' to Morrissey and you have been told that many times as well, and you continue to ignore it.
As for David 'the guy who runs this place' and your assertion that it's been 'widely reported' he has been at Morrissey gigs in the past year, I am sure since the reporting is so far and wide, you can cite sources and post proof. Even if he was, and it's none of our business, there was a time when he was banned from gigs and treated very poorly, and if the ban has been lifted, good for him that he can go to gigs again but it does not erase the fact that Morrissey is a hypocrite who suppresses the free speech of others or punishes people for it while complaining that his right to free speech has been abolished and he has been 'canceled' , when is reality he never stops running his mouth and saying stupid things. You are a bore and a nag and take your complaints to management because your monomania regarding what and how people post here is disturbing.
This thread is LITERALLY about The Cure, which is allowed, obviously - and comparing Robert Smith's ability and willingness to do interviews with Morrissey's.

 

[DaveJCarr]

Isn't that something we do in many areas of life? Turn external agents into emblems for values in our identities? Many people follow one football club or political party for life. When it comes to an artist who puts so much of his persona into his work, is a strange intensity surprising?

Yes, it is true that folks follow football/other sports clubs/political parties- and even other musicians, be it Springsteen, The Cure, Insane Clown Posse, Tatlor Swift etc, with the same kind of strange intensity you describe. There's a Reddit community, a Facebook group, a forum for every kind of passion imaginable. None are perfect. All online spaces, populated ss they are by humans, have a propensity for both joyous community and toxicity.

The thing that I find continually mystifying is that you (and others) seem positively flummoxed that folks are insufficently postive, grateful and reverential towards Moz all the time.

No other online fandom space I have ever expiwrenced equates fandom with unquestioned fealty- the Springsteen Boards can be quite fiesty debating the various eras of his music his tour/setlist habits, and especially his politics.

Spend any time following a sports team of any kind and people will debate The Greatest of All Team, the best players, whose to blame or praise for what, for pages and pages and hours and hours. Add poltical party loyalty into that equation, and everything i said is expontentially increased.

All of that is accepted in all of those circles as fine- because those debates are one way in which folks can demonstrate that they are invested, that they have thought long and hard about the things they love. And of course, the super passionate reverence, is another perfectly valid response.

If you think solo to be susceptible to all those nebulous, nefarious, Big Tech and corporatization influences that you have reference d, and fandom would be better served by a more tightly moderated explicitly positive approach, why are you still here? Why not make your own space, or join any number of the Morrissey FB groups that are tightly moderated and positive?

 

[goinghome]

Basically none of what you wrote has anything to do with my reply to you.

Just as I thought. You don't know but don't know you don't know.

It doesn't matter if The Cure have forums or not, part of this site is dedicated to 'Other Music" as has been pointed out to you many, many times.

There goes little Hitler again, licensed to troll

Yes, it is true

I imagine someone may want to read all that.

 

[DaveJCarr]

Just as I thought. You don't know but don't know you don't know.

And neither do you. Despite your propensity for protestations, meandering non-sequiturs, and conspiratorial bonanzas.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Just as I thought. You don't know but don't know you don't know.

Well, I myself said I didn’t know if there are any Cure forums. But it doesn’t matter. This is a Cure vs Moz thread.

Nobody complains about this place more than you, so maybe it is you who should consider leaving? I think you should stay, but you seem very unhappy.

 

[Redacted]

Just as I thought. You don't know but don't know you don't know.


There goes little Hitler again, licensed to troll

I imagine someone may want to read all that.

I asked for evidence of your claim that David attended Morrissey shows recently....where is it?

 

[Redacted]

Just as I thought. You don't know but don't know you don't know.

Did you miss the part about not needing a Cure forum to discuss The Cure? Keep beating that dead horse, as if it gets you anywhere. I actually think it's quite smart of David to allow as many topics as possible here, it's a much nicer alternative to overly moderated social media.

 

[BobDylan1966]

I think the problem is that at this point, after things he has said, it is almost impossible not to ask him about his political views. And then sadly that inevitably hijacks the interview, gets terrible headlines etc. So I presume he has reached a point where he will avoid ‘mainstream’ interviews at all costs. That then results in him only doing stuff like that awful interview posted earlier in the thread where, as far as I can tell (I don’t know enough about it), he is just interviewed by a fan - all very amateurish (no offence to the interviewer).

Essentially, Moz decided to take it upon himself to repeatedly endorse the Far Right racist political party ‘For Britain’. Once that happened, it is pretty difficult for any serious journalist not to challenge him on it. And for avoidance of doubt, endorsing Donald Trump (as John Lydon and others have done) is NOTHING like endorsing the far right fascists (I don’t use the term lightly) ‘For Britain’.