Please score these Morrissey/Street tracks

[Thewlis]

How do you think Whyte will compare?

I think Boz will come closest, Whyte in third place.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

No further votes = no change to scores of yesterday.

Aiming to close this thread on Monday (tomorrow, 1st of May) c.12:00 UK time , so if you haven't yet responded, & wish to have your data included in the final results, then please submit your scores asap. Cheers.

 

[Mike Rourke]

How do you think Whyte will compare?

Although Alain has written some beauties, he had also written a large amount of plodding indie filler with Morrissey. Think of an underwhelming Morrissey song from 1995 to 2010 and it will usually be a Morrissey/Whyte composition along with a few from Jesse.

 

[YOR]

1. Alsatian Cousin 8
2. Angel Angel Down We Go Together 8
3. At Amber 7
4. Bengali In Platforms 7
5. Break Up The Family 9
6. Dial A Cliché 7
7. Disappointed 7
8. Everyday Is Like Sunday 10
9. Hairdresser On Fire 9
10. Happy Lovers At Last United 6
11. I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me 5
12. I Know Very Well How I Got My Name 5
13. Interesting Drug 8
14. Journalists Who Lie 3
15. Late Night, Maudlin Street 10
16. Lifeguard On Duty 4
17. Little Man, What Now? 7
18. Lucky Lisp 6
19. Margaret On The Guillotine -
20. Michael's Bones 6
21. Oh Well, I'll Never Learn 5
22. Ouija Board, Ouija Board 7
23. Please Help The Cause Against Loneliness 5
24. Safe, Warm Lancashire Home 4
25. Sister I'm A Poet 8
26. Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference 9
27. Suedehead 10
28. The Last Of The Famous International Playboys 10
29. The Ordinary Boys 9
30. Treat Me Like A Human Being 7
31. Will Never Marry 9

 

[YOR]

Margaret On The Guillotine 6

 

[Mike Rourke]

Mike, what's your score here?

"7. Disappointed - 8 - 10"

Also:

"23. Please Help The Cause Against Loneliness - ?

24. Safe, Warm Lancashire Home - ?

30. Treat Me Like A Human Being -?"

If you can't provide a score, I'll just add the average score at the end of voting

Hi, Disappointed score was 8.
The others, I don't know well enough to score.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Spoiler: Top 5 scores

1. 9.55
2. 9.48
3. 9.43
4. 9.30
5. 9.10

Any top 3 predictions, as we enter the final 24 hours?

Sunday, Suedehead, Playboys. These three seem very popular.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

I've spent a little time combining/merging datasets in the background, & (although we are only part way through the 'co-write' journey) it has revealed just how strong these Street co-writes are, (cue caveat: based on the data received), compared with other co-write material.

For example, & without revealing individual tracks, the top ten, thus far, contains 8 Street tracks, with the other 2 by a.n. other.

 

[Roman Holiday]

Sunday, Suedehead, Playboys. These three seem very popular.

Probably right. I hope Will Never Marry does well. I haven't averaged its score, but it looks to be getting good numbers. For me, it's one of his absolute finest lyrics, and the music is up there with the best of his piano ballads. Stephen Street had a real knack for "cozy," I guess, songcraft.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

& the string arrangements are gorgeous on it. Plus spotting the ‘Steven!’ for the first time back in the day, what a delight.


Will Never Marry - 8.5

Will Never Marry (long version) - 9

 

[marcgt]

Alsatian Cousin - 7
Angel Angel Down We Go Together - 7
At Amber - 8
Bengali in Platforms - 7
Break Up the Family - 6,5
Dial a Cliché - 7
Disappointed - 9
Everyday Is Like Sunday - 10
Hairdresser on Fire - 9,5
Happy Lovers at Last United - 8
I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me - 7,5
I Know Very Well How I Got My Name - 7,5
Interesting Drug - 9
Journalists Who Lie - 3
Late Night, Maudlin Street - 8,5
Lifeguard on Duty - 7
Little Man, What Now? - 6,5
Lucky Lisp - 7
Margaret on the Guillotine - 6
Michael's Bones - 7
Oh Well, I'll Never Learn - 6
Ouija Board, Ouija Board - 9
Please Help the Cause Against Loneliness - 5
Safe, Warm Lancashire Home - 4
Sister I'm a Poet - 7
Such a Little Thing Makes Such a Big Difference - 9,5
Suedehead - 10
The Last of the Famous International Playboys - 10
The Ordinary Boys - 7,5
Treat Me Like a Human Being - 4
Will Never Marry - 9

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Still all to play for, so keep voting...

Spoiler: End of play for today top 5 scores

1st - 9.56
2nd - 2 way tie 9.45
4th - 9.32
5th - 9.10

 

[goinghome]

Thanks for the thought and effort gone into this appealingly designed scoreboard, mozmar : )

I may conflate standard with fondness at times, but here goes:

1. Alsatian Cousin 9
2. Angel Angel Down We Go Together 8
3. At Amber 8
4. Bengali In Platforms 7
5. Break Up The Family 8
6. Dial A Cliché 8
7. Disappointed 10
8. Everyday Is Like Sunday 10
9. Hairdresser On Fire 10
10. Happy Lovers At Last United 8
11. I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me 8
12. I Know Very Well How I Got My Name 8
13. Interesting Drug 9
14. Journalists Who Lie 8
15. Late Night, Maudlin Street 9
16. Lifeguard On Duty 8
17. Little Man, What Now? 9
18. Lucky Lisp 9
19. Margaret On The Guillotine 7
20. Michael's Bones 8
21. Oh Well, I'll Never Learn 8
22. Ouija Board, Ouija Board 10
23. Please Help The Cause Against Loneliness 8
24. Safe, Warm Lancashire Home 8
25. Sister I'm A Poet 10
26. Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference 10
27. Suedehead 10
28. The Last Of The Famous International Playboys 10
29. The Ordinary Boys 9
30. Treat Me Like A Human Being 8
31. Will Never Marry 10

 

[Mike Rourke]

I've spent a little time combining/merging datasets in the background, & (although we are only part way through the 'co-write' journey) it has revealed just how strong these Street co-writes are, (cue caveat: based on the data received), compared with other co-write material.

For example, & without revealing individual tracks, the top ten, thus far, contains 8 Street tracks, with the other 2 by a.n. other.

Don't know if you were around but we have done this kind of thing before, if not for a while. Previously, every song had its own thread and we'd discuss it for 3 or 4 days. From memory, the Street songs did indeed come out above the other post-Smiths collaborators (and Boorer was above Whyte).
Worth noting that we've had all the Street songs now but there remains quite a lot of Boorer and Whyte stuff. Also, the highest scoring (last time) non-Street songs like Speedway, Now My Heart is Full and Trouble Loves Me have yet to be assessed, so the final top 10 won't be 80% Street.
Anyway, great that you're doing this again so thanks.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

Don't know if you were around but we have done this kind of thing before, if not for a while. Previously, every song had its own thread and we'd discuss it for 3 or 4 days. From memory, the Street songs did indeed come out above the other post-Smiths collaborators (and Boorer was above Whyte).
Worth noting that we've had all the Street songs now but there remains quite a lot of Boorer and Whyte stuff. Also, the highest scoring (last time) non-Street songs like Speedway, Now My Heart is Full and Trouble Loves Me have yet to be assessed, so the final top 10 won't be 80% Street.
Anyway, great that you're doing this again so thanks.

If you're referring to the A-Z threads, yes I know of them & contributed, but they weren't scored, & therefore provided no statistical data.

Yep, you're correct, we have Boz part 2 (the remaining c.26 tracks [M-Y]) to come, plus Whyte, & a few odds 'n' sods (Nevin, Cobrin, Day, Rourke, Farrell, Langer, Armstrong, et al) off the top of my head.

What I posted re; Street tracks was purely a data driven observation which (altho based on incomplete data) I thought ppl might find interesting.

 

[Mike Rourke]

If you're referring to the A-Z threads, yes I know of them & contributed, but they weren't scored, & therefore provided no statistical data.

Yep, you're correct, we have Boz part 2 (remaining c.26 tracks [M-Y]) to come, plus Whyte, & a few odds 'n' sods (Nevin, Cobrin, Day, Rourke, Farrell, Langer, Armstrong, et al) off the top of my head.

What I posted re; Street tracks was purely a data driven observation which (altho based on incomplete data) I thought ppl might find interesting.

I've just Googled the previous poll and here it is https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/the-moz-smiths-top-100-final-results-2014.133795/
So every song did end up with a score, or did you mean something else?
It was last updated a long time ago, though, (pre Low in High School), and people's opinions change over time, so this is a good exercise in bringing some kind of assessment up to date.
Yep, no problem showing the results to date with incomplete data. Street is my favourite post-Smiths songwriter by miles, so always good to celebrate his contributions. The diversity of his arrangement and the quality of his melodies has never been matched in my opinion.

 

[Orson Swells]

1. Alsatian Cousin 8
2. Angel Angel Down We Go Together 9
3. At Amber 6
4. Bengali In Platforms 7
5. Break Up The Family 8.5
6. Dial A Cliché 6.5
7. Disappointed 9.5
8. Everyday Is Like Sunday 10
9. Hairdresser On Fire 9.5
10. Happy Lovers At Last United 6
11. I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me 6.5
12. I Know Very Well How I Got My Name 10
13. Interesting Drug 8
14. Journalists Who Lie 6
15. Late Night, Maudlin Street 10
16. Lifeguard On Duty 6
17. Little Man, What Now? 7
18. Lucky Lisp 6.5
19. Margaret On The Guillotine 6
20. Michael's Bones 7
21. Oh Well, I'll Never Learn 6.5
22. Ouija Board, Ouija Board 8.5
23. Please Help The Cause Against Loneliness 6
24. Safe, Warm Lancashire Home 5
25. Sister I'm A Poet 8.5
26. Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference 6
27. Suedehead 10
28. The Last Of The Famous International Playboys 10
29. The Ordinary Boys 7
30. Treat Me Like A Human Being 5
31. Will Never Marry 10

 

[Thewlis]

I've just Googled the previous poll and here it is https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/the-moz-smiths-top-100-final-results-2014.133795/
So every song did end up with a score, or did you mean something else?
It was last updated a long time ago, though, (pre Low in High School), and people's opinions change over time, so this is a good exercise in bringing some kind of assessment up to date.
Yep, no problem showing the results to date with incomplete data. Street is my favourite post-Smiths songwriter by miles, so always good to celebrate his contributions. The diversity of his arrangement and the quality of his melodies has never been matched in my opinion.

Yes the final top-20 in 2014, with 50 plus votes for each song was:

1 Everyday Is Like Sunday (1988) 9,53
2 Speedway (1994) 9,53
3 Now My Heart Is Full (1994) 9,52
4 Suedehead (1988) 9,52
5 The Last Of The Famous International Playboys (1989) 9,44
6 Why Don’t You Find Out For Yourself (1994) 9,41
7 Jack The Ripper (1992) 9.28
8 Late Night, Maudlin Street (1988) 9,19
9 The National Front Disco (1992) 9,14
10 Hairdresser On Fire (1988) 9,13
11 Trouble Loves Me (1997) 9,12
12 Seasick, Yet Still Docked (1992) 9,11
13 November Spawned A Monster (1990) 9,11
14 Will Never Marry (1988) 9,05
15 First Of The Gang To Die (2004) 9,02
16 Irish Blood, English Heart (2004) 9.01
17 Sister I’m A Poet (1988) 8,97
18 Nobody Loves Us (1995) 8,96
19 I’ve Changed My Plea To Guilty (1991) 8,95
20 Life Is A Pigsty (2006) 8,95

3 Street songs in the top-5, 7 in the top 20.
It will be interesting to see what the final scores this year will be.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

I've just Googled the previous poll and here it is https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/the-moz-smiths-top-100-final-results-2014.133795/
So every song did end up with a score, or did you mean something else?
It was last updated a long time ago, though, (pre Low in High School), and people's opinions change over time, so this is a good exercise in bringing some kind of assessment up to date.
Yep, no problem showing the results to date with incomplete data. Street is my favourite post-Smiths songwriter by miles, so always good to celebrate his contributions. The diversity of his arrangement and the quality of his melodies has never been matched in my opinion.

I was referring to the A-Z threads (courtesy of @BookishBoy) which I thought was pretty clear in my reply.

I wasn't aware of the other thread from 2014, but to my mind (& others'), time for a refresh after almost 9 years, quite a few 'membership' changes, & (most importantly) some new music.

Regardless, 1.5 hours to go before we close this off, & find out the final results, for 2023.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

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