Could M come back from being cancelled?

[BookishBoy]

Like so many things, "being cancelled" is a grey area.

My view is that M has been partially cancelled, the clearest example of that being BBC 6Music radio station. He should be all over that, in the same way that Bowie, Iggy, Jarvis et al are / have been - but they've clearly made the decision that, for most of their listenership, hearing recent Morrissey songs is not what they want, because of his views. Not because he's annoying, or a dick, or doesn't play the game, or cancels shows, but because of his views. So yes, he could still absolutely release music, get smaller deals, and so on - but to a certain extent, his profile has shrunk because of his apparent opinions on certain issues.

 

[TheSmiths_1985]

Again, let's see.
But I think you undersell the respect that Morrissey has earned by speaking up for England.
As I say, there is a hunger for dissident voices. And Morrissey is certainly that - a dissident voice.

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The little-Englanders will suffer through Bonfire, then once they get to the standard Morrissey tunes they will convulse.
Morrissey might be speaking up for England (isn’t he an Irish catholic, like Malarklay thinks she is?), but no-one of any worth asked him to or is listening.
He isn’t a dissident voice. He’s an old man shouting into a vacuum.

 

[Roman Holiday]

Again, let's see.
But I think you undersell the respect that Morrissey has earned by speaking up for England.
As I say, there is a hunger for dissident voices. And Morrissey is certainly that - a dissident voice.

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Care to make a prediction? I predict that if Bonfire of Teenagers is released, its sales will not be more than double those of I Am Not A Dog On A Chain.

The crossover audience between Tommy Robinson and Morrissey is not going be very significant. Even those Lotus Eater turds don't listen to his music; they just like some of the things he's occasionally said.

 

[Surface]

because they get fame and fortune too easily,all the legendary bands travelled ap and down the uk playing night after night,these days 5 minutes on tv and yout a star,nobody asked liam payne if he was struggling or what state his mental health was in,you see it with lewis capaldi,he literally broke down on stage and the uadience had to finish most of his songs,its only mow hes getting a break.
was M right when he wrote the kids a looker.

Fair enough but there are loads of non manufactured artists who ended up the same way, Stuart Adamson springs to mind, saw him in Big Country a few times, he was such a confident front man.

 

[gashonthenail]

Care to make a prediction? I predict that if Bonfire of Teenagers is released, its sales will not be more than double those of I Am Not A Dog On A Chain.

Yes, happy to. If Bonfire ever gets to be released - it will be Morrissey's first number 1 album since Ringleaders.

 

[gashonthenail]

Fair enough but there are loads of non manufactured artists who ended up the same way, Stuart Adamson springs to mind, saw him in Big Country a few times, he was such a confident front man.

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[Roman Holiday]

Yes, happy to. If Bonfire ever gets to be released - it will be Morrissey's first number 1 album since Ringleaders.

Would that be so phenomenal, though? Morrissey's albums usually make the Top 10. High School got to no. 5 and Dog to no. 3. Bonfire could get to no.1 easily if it's a slow week for releases, coupled with it being a return to "indie guitar pop" after the last ten weird years of world music, J. Chicc bombast, and electro-dance. Now, if it was no. 1 and stayed there and outsold his previous three albums put together, then I think you could say there was something that spoke to people being "hungry for dissident voices," rather than just a few more casual Morrissey fans than usual being interested.

 

[gashonthenail]

Would that be so phenomenal, though? Morrissey's albums usually make the Top 10. High School got to no. 5 and Dog to no. 3. Bonfire could get to no.1 easily if it's a slow week for releases, coupled with it being a return to "indie guitar pop" after the last ten weird years of world music, J. Chicc bombast, and electro-dance. Now, if it was no. 1 and stayed there and outsold his previous three albums put together, then I think you could say there was something that spoke to people being "hungry for dissident voices," rather than just a few more casual Morrissey fans than usual being interested.

Yes.
For a 65-year old singer, who is repeatedly referred to as a 'pariah' by the legacy media, and whose views apparently make the virtuous feel 'sad', to have a number 1 album would be absolutely f***ing amazing.

 

[Roman Holiday]

Yes.
For a 65-year old singer, who is repeatedly referred to as a 'pariah' by the legacy media, and whose views apparently make the virtuous feel 'sad', to have a number 1 album would be absolutely f***ing amazing.

I'm just not seeing how it would be "absolutely f***ing amazing" any more than having a no. 3 album when he was 61 yrs old and supposedly as much a renegade/martyr/truth-teller as you were making him out to be back in 202o after the For Britain, Der Speigel and assorted controversies. Two notches up on the chart is not that significant.

 

[TheSmiths_1985]

Yes.
For a 65-year old singer, who is repeatedly referred to as a 'pariah' by the legacy media, and whose views apparently make the virtuous feel 'sad', to have a number 1 album would be absolutely f***ing amazing.

Do you think that, as much as the Neraks of the world need MOZI to be their left-wing hero, you might be opposite but the same?
Maybe that’s why Makarklay is obsessed with you. You are she/her. And she/her is you.
No-one would give a flying f*** if a Morrissey album got to number one then dropped out of the top 100, never to be seen again. Except for MOZI and his followers, left and right.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Can't cancel someone without their consent. When you apologize or show shame you consent. Morrissey’s never done that. He's uncancellable, that's why the cancel culture bigots just can't stand him.

 

[gashonthenail]

Do you think that, as much as the Neraks of the world need MOZI to be their left-wing hero, you might be opposite but the same?
Maybe that’s why Makarklay is obsessed with you. You are she/her. And she/her is you.

You spend far too much time reading her twitter account. It's affecting your brain. You're starting to see her everywhere. Give yourself a break before you break down.

 

[Anonymous]

Short of committing a rape, murder or other extremely serious crime (and sometimes not even then), I don't think music artists can be cancelled. At least not in any way that a great song or album couldn't undo. Falling in and out of favour is just how the industry works, it happens to everyone eventually.

Although he talks a big talk, Moz hasn't made any real effort to change his fortunes over the past five years. And I don't find that surprising, really. He's rich, he knows he can live on his royalties and retire any time he likes on his own terms, he's way past needing to play the game.

Very true. Even raping prepubescent children wasn't enough to stop Gary Glitter's music making a comeback appearance in a major Hollywood film (Joker).

The only person who has 'cancelled' Morrissey is Morrissey. His comments on the Chinese, immigration, brexit etc all came in the early-mid 2010s and his touring career was still going strong until Covid. His US/international fanbase in particular likely don't follow UK media or don't care... what's frightened them away is the prospect of shelling out $400+ for flights and hotels, only for Shivering Steve to walk out halfway through the third song because he couldn't be arsed to wear a jumper.

If he put the promo work in, fulfilled 90% of his touring commitments and contractual obligations and didn't start drama with record executives he could be doing Vegas and 3 night residencies at the Albert Hall. Or basking in the glow of the Smiths' renewed popularity like Marr is. There's never been a better time to be a legacy act... he clearly doesn't want it

 

[TheSmiths_1985]

You spend far too much time reading her twitter account. It's affecting your brain. You're starting to see her everywhere. Give yourself a break before you break down.

Babes, I spend a lot of time on the toilet.

 

[Rufusindigo]

Like so many things, "being cancelled" is a grey area.

My view is that M has been partially cancelled, the clearest example of that being BBC 6Music radio station. He should be all over that, in the same way that Bowie, Iggy, Jarvis et al are / have been - but they've clearly made the decision that, for most of their listenership, hearing recent Morrissey songs is not what they want, because of his views. Not because he's annoying, or a dick, or doesn't play the game, or cancels shows, but because of his views. So yes, he could still absolutely release music, get smaller deals, and so on - but to a certain extent, his profile has shrunk because of his apparent opinions on certain issues.

Yes, the 6Music playlist is exactly what I was thinking of when I was referring to him being cancelled - although Don Letts did play some Moz a few months back.

 

[Rufusindigo]

Morrissey hasn’t been cancelled. He painted himself into a very small corner, then kept painting. Big difference.

Sure, I'm not saying he isn't largely responsible for where he finds himself. I'm just wondering if, like Galliano and Gibson, there is a way back or is he destined to be a permanent pariah?

 

[Redacted]

He's not been canceled.
Some of you are conveniently forgetting he got a major label deal and proceeded to f*** it up.

 

[Cornflakes]

He's not been canceled.
Some of you are conveniently forgetting he got a major label deal and proceeded to f*** it up.

Self-cancelled. Can he come back from it, though?

 

[Redacted]

Self-cancelled. Can he come back from it, though?

If he is willing to put in the work, I would say definitely.
He should self release, book shows to promote and make sure he shows up for them. Have some witty interviews.
I think a lot of people would like to hear some older songs and more Smiths songs from him too. I do not think this is hopeless, but he will have to do a lot of the work himself. I think he also needs a better band and consider working with people who really brought out the best of his talent in the past, like Stephen Street.

 

[gordyboy9]

Fair enough but there are loads of non manufactured artists who ended up the same way, Stuart Adamson springs to mind, saw him in Big Country a few times, he was such a confident front man.

true,love big country,like a lot of scots with too much time on their hands,the booze isnt far away,he was a troubled soul as well.